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Contemporary Notation

Rael Bertarelli Gimenes Toffolo
Hello everyone...

The musescore is one of the best software to typesetting music in linux, but we need extend some features to have a real substitute to commercial softwares like sibelius and finale (Finale is the best software for all porpouses).

As composer I use a lot of non traditional musical notation to comtemporary music, like... spacial temporal rhythm (we call in contemporary music: proportional time)
Graphic notation
Music without bar, and other features..

I'm not a software developer, but I can help with ideas and tests...

I'm music professor in Maringá State University (Brazil) and me and my students can help with documentation, language support and other necessary tasks to make musescore a really strong software to musical notation...

The developers community can think about that?

Tanks!

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Re: Contemporary Notation [and classical notation]

ZORBA-2
Yes, Musescore is the best free score editor now avaible.
Some important fetures are missing before it is complete for basic
purposes:

1. Multi measure rests:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1964572&group_id=109430&atid=653457
This functionality is needed for orchestral and chamber music when an
instrument has a lot of rests.

2. Better and flexible beaming system:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1967363&group_id=109430&atid=653454
Without this improvement it's impossible to print scores with a good
quality.

3. Partial or multimeasure repeats:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Measure-repeats#Measure-repeats
I added a "feature request" but you closed it (?). Now there's only the
whole measure repeat. Other in-measure repeats are missing, so it's
impossible to work on a lot of orchestral scores.

4. Metronome
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Metronome-marks#Metronome-marks
>From Beethoven composers write the metronomo at the start mouvements. In
modern music it's needed also the second example (Stravinsky needs these
symbols)

Without these functionality Musescore is not usable for professional
work.

Another useful function is the possibility to toggle transposing
instruments from concert pitch to trasported pitch. Composers use a lot
this function when they work on scores.

Thanks for your work!


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Re: Contemporary Notation

wschweer
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In reply to this post by Rael Bertarelli Gimenes Toffolo
Hi,

i am not a musician and do not know much about contemporary music.
The design of MuseScore is more targeted to traditional western music
notation. Some design decisions taken will make it difficult to
implement some wishful features.

I would greatly appreciate your help enhancing MuseScore.
Maybe you can prepare a more detailed list of needed feature extensions
preferably with links to examples if exist as a basis for discussions
on how to implement it.
But please keep in mind that MuseScore is only a small project with
few developers so some patience will be needed before any results
will manifest.

Regards,
Werner

On Dienstag 27 Mai 2008, Rael Bertarelli Gimenes Toffolo wrote:

> Hello everyone...
>
> The musescore is one of the best software to typesetting music in linux, but
> we need extend some features to have a real substitute to commercial
> softwares like sibelius and finale (Finale is the best software for all
> porpouses).
>
> As composer I use a lot of non traditional musical notation to comtemporary
> music, like... spacial temporal rhythm (we call in contemporary music:
> proportional time)
> Graphic notation
> Music without bar, and other features..
>
> I'm not a software developer, but I can help with ideas and tests...
>
> I'm music professor in Maringá State University (Brazil) and me and my
> students can help with documentation, language support and other necessary
> tasks to make musescore a really strong software to musical notation...
>
> The developers community can think about that?
>
> Tanks!
>




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Re: Contemporary Notation

ZORBA-2
Il giorno mar, 03/06/2008 alle 16.45 +0200, Werner Schweer ha scritto:

> I would greatly appreciate your help enhancing MuseScore.
> Maybe you can prepare a more detailed list of needed feature extensions
> preferably with links to examples if exist as a basis for discussions
> on how to implement it.

I'm a music teacher too, and I'm studing composition.
A quick list of needed features are listed in my previous reply to
Rael's message:

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=9fe2b3fb0805271056l1ff52331m39bfc935f601394f%40mail.gmail.com&forum_name=mscore-developer

> But please keep in mind that MuseScore is only a small project with
> few developers so some patience will be needed before any results
> will manifest.
>

:)

Yes, but you are working very very fast. Now Musescore is the best free
replacement for Finale. Only few things are missing for basic purposes.


> Regards,
> Werner

Thanks for your work!
Aldo


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Re: Contemporary Notation [and classical notation]

wschweer
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On Mittwoch 28 Mai 2008, zorba wrote:

> Yes, Musescore is the best free score editor now avaible.
> Some important fetures are missing before it is complete for basic
> purposes:
>
> 1. Multi measure rests:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1964572&group_id=109430&atid=653457
> This functionality is needed for orchestral and chamber music when an
> instrument has a lot of rests.
>
> 2. Better and flexible beaming system:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1967363&group_id=109430&atid=653454
> Without this improvement it's impossible to print scores with a good
> quality.

Some things are already possible with current mscore:
You can beam rests. The lilypond example you mentioned in
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1967363&group_id=109430&atid=653454
can be done in mscore.

>
> 3. Partial or multimeasure repeats:
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Measure-repeats#Measure-repeats
> I added a "feature request" but you closed it (?). Now there's only the
> whole measure repeat. Other in-measure repeats are missing, so it's
> impossible to work on a lot of orchestral scores.

closing the request is my mistake. In measure repeats and multi measure repeats
are still missing.

>
> 4. Metronome
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Metronome-marks#Metronome-marks
> >From Beethoven composers write the metronomo at the start mouvements. In
> modern music it's needed also the second example (Stravinsky needs these
> symbols)

To set a metronome mark first enter an arbitrary tempo text. Right click the
tempo text to get the context menu. In the tempo text properties dialog you
can enter the desired play tempo. Then double click the tempo text to enter
"edit mode". In edit mode delete the text and press F2 to popup the text
palette. From the text palette you can enter special symbols like notes etc.

All other things are on my todo list.

Werner



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Re: Contemporary Notation [and classical notation]

ZORBA-2

Il giorno gio, 05/06/2008 alle 14.27 +0200, Werner Schweer ha scritto:

> Some things are already possible with current mscore:
> You can beam rests. The lilypond example you mentioned in
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1967363&group_id=109430&atid=653454
> can be done in mscore.

Great!
It's still missing the possibility to beam two notes in two different
measures. (svn of 25/05/06)

-> SVN 998 failed to compile with this error:
/source/mscore/trunk/mscore/mscore/plugins.cpp:130:1: error:
unterminated #if
/source/mscore/trunk/mscore/mscore/plugins.cpp: In member function ‘void
MuseScore::pluginTriggered(int)’:
/source/mscore/trunk/mscore/mscore/plugins.cpp:128: error: expected
primary-expression before ‘<<’ token


> closing the request is my mistake. In measure repeats and multi measure repeats
> are still missing.
>

ok.

> >
> > 4. Metronome
> > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Metronome-marks#Metronome-marks
> > >From Beethoven composers write the metronomo at the start mouvements. In
> > modern music it's needed also the second example (Stravinsky needs these
> > symbols)
>
> To set a metronome mark first enter an arbitrary tempo text. Right click the
> tempo text to get the context menu. In the tempo text properties dialog you
> can enter the desired play tempo. Then double click the tempo text to enter
> "edit mode". In edit mode delete the text and press F2 to popup the text
> palette. From the text palette you can enter special symbols like notes etc.
>
Finale has a specific control for inserting metronomo. This is very
useful since this is a common task. It's also difficult to insert a
metronomo with dotted notes, because in the text palette there isn't the
dot at "medium of character" (sorry for bad english).
I have to insert "1/4 note dotted" = 66 (in 6/8 time)

A specific control in a toolbar is the best solution. (IMHO)
In attach you can find the Finale control for setting metronomo.

Ah, on my system the "text palette" hasn't a window manager (I don't
understand why): Mandriva 2007.1 with qt 4.4 self-compiled

> All other things are on my todo list.
>

Thanks for your precious work!

> Werner

Aldo

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