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> Doug.
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> On Dienstag 26 Februar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > I just compiled from the SVN with no problems.
> >
> > Keyboard entry is far easier, and since I can't play a keyboard and don't
> > own one, I can't test the finer points of the package.  That is my major
> > reason for leaving tests to the others.  About the only thing that I can
> > test is the Lilypond export.
>
> I'm a bit confused. Note entry with a music keyboard (with this black and
> white keys) is not easier. The fastest method for note entry is to use the
> computer keyboard.
> I also don't understand what's the benefit of a lilypond output for you.
> The main goal of MuseScore is to graphically edit the score. For
> example its easy to manually adjust a slur but especially this finetuning
> cannot be exported to lilypond. So why use MuseScore if you want lilypond
> output?
>
> > There is no "make uninstall" command available.  I have been deleting the
> > directory in /usr/share/local/ before running make install, but this is
> > probably unnecessary.  Similarly, I would normally run "make clean"
> > before "svn up" but I have been copying the svn folder across and
> > compiling from the copy, leaving the svn folder ready for the next
> > update.
>
> The uninstall is provided by the package builder (for debian packages and
> as far as i know for *rpm packages). Its not necessary if you want to
> install a newer version.
> The build system does not touch the svn directories (its a so called "out
> of source build"). All created files are in the "build" subdirectory. To
> start from scratch you only have to remove this dir (or call "make clean"
> in the toplevel dir which does exactly this). There is no need to hold a
> separate copy for the build.
>
> > I again set my QT4 path before compiling.  For some reason, it was not
> > detected automatically when compiling last time.  I suppose that I should
> > have tried again this time.  The two versions of qmake have the same
> > name, but on the other hand a different QT4 program (I have forgotten
> > what) found the correct one O.K.  If nobody else is having this problem,
> > it may be specific to my distro (Mandriva).  I will shortly be upgrading
> > to Mandriva 2008 Spring with the latest version of KDE.  I will test
> > again then.  No sense in fixing it for a distro that has almost finished
> > its lifespan.
>
> CMake detects the installation path of QT4 by calling "qmake-qt4
> --version". If there is no qmake-qt4 it tries "qmake --version". So you
> should place a renamed copy of your Qt4 qmake into say /usr/bin or create a
> symlink.
>
> Werner
>
> > Doug.
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> My position is, that in the end, I want scores I can play from.  So far, I
> have been using NoteEdit and exporting to Lilypond.   I didn't really
> consider using MuseScore's native output to a printed score.  Just not
> thinking laterally.  Also, I assumed that a keyboard would be faster - it
> usually is.  DeNemo, recommended for writing Lilypond, is very awkward to use
> from the computer keyboard, and they say that they expect users to have a
> music keyboard.  I did find it quite easy to enter a song in MuseScore from
> the computer keyboard, and for a wind instrument, I need only one line of
> notes.  The only extra that I really need is the ability to transpose.  I put
> up the music as for the C instrument, then transpose it for the B flat or A
> clarinet, whichever goves the most convenient final key signature.  That way,
> I can produce a score for our violinist as well.  Transposing as I enter
> notes, I soon get hopelessly lost.
>
> Slurs in NoteEdit are a problem.  Ties can be done as I go, but slurs won't
> enter except in Edit mode, which means a lot of fiddling.  I know that the
> NoteEdit code was messy, and Canorus isn't sufficiently advanced to consider.
>
> There is no reason why I can't print directly from MuseScore.
>
> Doug.
>
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:59:10 am Werner Schweer wrote:
> > On Dienstag 26 Februar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > > I just compiled from the SVN with no problems.
> > >
> > > Keyboard entry is far easier, and since I can't play a keyboard and don't
> > > own one, I can't test the finer points of the package.  That is my major
> > > reason for leaving tests to the others.  About the only thing that I can
> > > test is the Lilypond export.
> >
> > I'm a bit confused. Note entry with a music keyboard (with this black and
> > white keys) is not easier. The fastest method for note entry is to use the
> > computer keyboard.
> > I also don't understand what's the benefit of a lilypond output for you.
> > The main goal of MuseScore is to graphically edit the score. For
> > example its easy to manually adjust a slur but especially this finetuning
> > cannot be exported to lilypond. So why use MuseScore if you want lilypond
> > output?
> >
> > > There is no "make uninstall" command available.  I have been deleting the
> > > directory in /usr/share/local/ before running make install, but this is
> > > probably unnecessary.  Similarly, I would normally run "make clean"
> > > before "svn up" but I have been copying the svn folder across and
> > > compiling from the copy, leaving the svn folder ready for the next
> > > update.
> >
> > The uninstall is provided by the package builder (for debian packages and
> > as far as i know for *rpm packages). Its not necessary if you want to
> > install a newer version.
> > The build system does not touch the svn directories (its a so called "out
> > of source build"). All created files are in the "build" subdirectory. To
> > start from scratch you only have to remove this dir (or call "make clean"
> > in the toplevel dir which does exactly this). There is no need to hold a
> > separate copy for the build.
> >
> > > I again set my QT4 path before compiling.  For some reason, it was not
> > > detected automatically when compiling last time.  I suppose that I should
> > > have tried again this time.  The two versions of qmake have the same
> > > name, but on the other hand a different QT4 program (I have forgotten
> > > what) found the correct one O.K.  If nobody else is having this problem,
> > > it may be specific to my distro (Mandriva).  I will shortly be upgrading
> > > to Mandriva 2008 Spring with the latest version of KDE.  I will test
> > > again then.  No sense in fixing it for a distro that has almost finished
> > > its lifespan.
> >
> > CMake detects the installation path of QT4 by calling "qmake-qt4
> > --version". If there is no qmake-qt4 it tries "qmake --version". So you
> > should place a renamed copy of your Qt4 qmake into say /usr/bin or create a
> > symlink.
> >
> > Werner
> >
> > > Doug.
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> The transpose function should work in latest version. For instruments which
> play different notes than notated ("transposing instruments"?) you can
> set up a play transposion in the staff properties menu (right click a
> measure).
>
> Werner
>
> On Mittwoch 27 Februar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > My position is, that in the end, I want scores I can play from.  So far,
> > I have been using NoteEdit and exporting to Lilypond.   I didn't really
> > consider using MuseScore's native output to a printed score.  Just not
> > thinking laterally.  Also, I assumed that a keyboard would be faster - it
> > usually is.  DeNemo, recommended for writing Lilypond, is very awkward to
> > use from the computer keyboard, and they say that they expect users to
> > have a music keyboard.  I did find it quite easy to enter a song in
> > MuseScore from the computer keyboard, and for a wind instrument, I need
> > only one line of notes.  The only extra that I really need is the ability
> > to transpose.  I put up the music as for the C instrument, then transpose
> > it for the B flat or A clarinet, whichever goves the most convenient
> > final key signature.  That way, I can produce a score for our violinist
> > as well.  Transposing as I enter notes, I soon get hopelessly lost.
> >
> > Slurs in NoteEdit are a problem.  Ties can be done as I go, but slurs
> > won't enter except in Edit mode, which means a lot of fiddling.  I know
> > that the NoteEdit code was messy, and Canorus isn't sufficiently advanced
> > to consider.
> >
> > There is no reason why I can't print directly from MuseScore.
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:59:10 am Werner Schweer wrote:
> > > On Dienstag 26 Februar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > > > I just compiled from the SVN with no problems.
> > > >
> > > > Keyboard entry is far easier, and since I can't play a keyboard and
> > > > don't own one, I can't test the finer points of the package.  That is
> > > > my major reason for leaving tests to the others.  About the only
> > > > thing that I can test is the Lilypond export.
> > >
> > > I'm a bit confused. Note entry with a music keyboard (with this black
> > > and white keys) is not easier. The fastest method for note entry is to
> > > use the computer keyboard.
> > > I also don't understand what's the benefit of a lilypond output for
> > > you. The main goal of MuseScore is to graphically edit the score. For
> > > example its easy to manually adjust a slur but especially this
> > > finetuning cannot be exported to lilypond. So why use MuseScore if you
> > > want lilypond output?
> > >
> > > > There is no "make uninstall" command available.  I have been deleting
> > > > the directory in /usr/share/local/ before running make install, but
> > > > this is probably unnecessary.  Similarly, I would normally run "make
> > > > clean" before "svn up" but I have been copying the svn folder across
> > > > and compiling from the copy, leaving the svn folder ready for the
> > > > next update.
> > >
> > > The uninstall is provided by the package builder (for debian packages
> > > and as far as i know for *rpm packages). Its not necessary if you want
> > > to install a newer version.
> > > The build system does not touch the svn directories (its a so called
> > > "out of source build"). All created files are in the "build"
> > > subdirectory. To start from scratch you only have to remove this dir
> > > (or call "make clean" in the toplevel dir which does exactly this).
> > > There is no need to hold a separate copy for the build.
> > >
> > > > I again set my QT4 path before compiling.  For some reason, it was
> > > > not detected automatically when compiling last time.  I suppose that
> > > > I should have tried again this time.  The two versions of qmake have
> > > > the same name, but on the other hand a different QT4 program (I have
> > > > forgotten what) found the correct one O.K.  If nobody else is having
> > > > this problem, it may be specific to my distro (Mandriva).  I will
> > > > shortly be upgrading to Mandriva 2008 Spring with the latest version
> > > > of KDE.  I will test again then.  No sense in fixing it for a distro
> > > > that has almost finished its lifespan.
> > >
> > > CMake detects the installation path of QT4 by calling "qmake-qt4
> > > --version". If there is no qmake-qt4 it tries "qmake --version". So you
> > > should place a renamed copy of your Qt4 qmake into say /usr/bin or
> > > create a symlink.
> > >
> > > Werner
> > >
> > > > Doug.
> > > >
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