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Doug Laidlaw
I just compiled from the SVN with no problems.

Keyboard entry is far easier, and since I can't play a keyboard and don't own
one, I can't test the finer points of the package.  That is my major reason
for leaving tests to the others.  About the only thing that I can test is the
Lilypond export.

There is no "make uninstall" command available.  I have been deleting the
directory in /usr/share/local/ before running make install, but this is
probably unnecessary.  Similarly, I would normally run "make clean"
before "svn up" but I have been copying the svn folder across and compiling
from the copy, leaving the svn folder ready for the next update.

I again set my QT4 path before compiling.  For some reason, it was not
detected automatically when compiling last time.  I suppose that I should
have tried again this time.  The two versions of qmake have the same name,
but on the other hand a different QT4 program (I have forgotten what) found
the correct one O.K.  If nobody else is having this problem, it may be
specific to my distro (Mandriva).  I will shortly be upgrading to Mandriva
2008 Spring with the latest version of KDE.  I will test again then.  No
sense in fixing it for a distro that has almost finished its lifespan.

Doug.

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Re: Latest SVN

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On Dienstag 26 Februar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> I just compiled from the SVN with no problems.
>
> Keyboard entry is far easier, and since I can't play a keyboard and don't own
> one, I can't test the finer points of the package.  That is my major reason
> for leaving tests to the others.  About the only thing that I can test is the
> Lilypond export.

I'm a bit confused. Note entry with a music keyboard (with this black and
white keys) is not easier. The fastest method for note entry is to use the
computer keyboard.
I also don't understand what's the benefit of a lilypond output for you.
The main goal of MuseScore is to graphically edit the score. For
example its easy to manually adjust a slur but especially this finetuning
cannot be exported to lilypond. So why use MuseScore if you want lilypond
output?

>
> There is no "make uninstall" command available.  I have been deleting the
> directory in /usr/share/local/ before running make install, but this is
> probably unnecessary.  Similarly, I would normally run "make clean"
> before "svn up" but I have been copying the svn folder across and compiling
> from the copy, leaving the svn folder ready for the next update.

The uninstall is provided by the package builder (for debian packages and
as far as i know for *rpm packages). Its not necessary if you want to install
a newer version.
The build system does not touch the svn directories (its a so called "out of
source build"). All created files are in the "build" subdirectory. To
start from scratch you only have to remove this dir (or call "make clean" in
the toplevel dir which does exactly this). There is no need to hold a
separate copy for the build.

>
> I again set my QT4 path before compiling.  For some reason, it was not
> detected automatically when compiling last time.  I suppose that I should
> have tried again this time.  The two versions of qmake have the same name,
> but on the other hand a different QT4 program (I have forgotten what) found
> the correct one O.K.  If nobody else is having this problem, it may be
> specific to my distro (Mandriva).  I will shortly be upgrading to Mandriva
> 2008 Spring with the latest version of KDE.  I will test again then.  No
> sense in fixing it for a distro that has almost finished its lifespan.

CMake detects the installation path of QT4 by calling "qmake-qt4 --version".
If there is no qmake-qt4 it tries "qmake --version". So you should place
a renamed copy of your Qt4 qmake into say /usr/bin or create a symlink.

Werner


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Doug Laidlaw
My position is, that in the end, I want scores I can play from.  So far, I
have been using NoteEdit and exporting to Lilypond.   I didn't really
consider using MuseScore's native output to a printed score.  Just not
thinking laterally.  Also, I assumed that a keyboard would be faster - it
usually is.  DeNemo, recommended for writing Lilypond, is very awkward to use
from the computer keyboard, and they say that they expect users to have a
music keyboard.  I did find it quite easy to enter a song in MuseScore from
the computer keyboard, and for a wind instrument, I need only one line of
notes.  The only extra that I really need is the ability to transpose.  I put
up the music as for the C instrument, then transpose it for the B flat or A
clarinet, whichever goves the most convenient final key signature.  That way,
I can produce a score for our violinist as well.  Transposing as I enter
notes, I soon get hopelessly lost.

Slurs in NoteEdit are a problem.  Ties can be done as I go, but slurs won't
enter except in Edit mode, which means a lot of fiddling.  I know that the
NoteEdit code was messy, and Canorus isn't sufficiently advanced to consider.

There is no reason why I can't print directly from MuseScore.

Doug.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:59:10 am Werner Schweer wrote:

> On Dienstag 26 Februar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > I just compiled from the SVN with no problems.
> >
> > Keyboard entry is far easier, and since I can't play a keyboard and don't
> > own one, I can't test the finer points of the package.  That is my major
> > reason for leaving tests to the others.  About the only thing that I can
> > test is the Lilypond export.
>
> I'm a bit confused. Note entry with a music keyboard (with this black and
> white keys) is not easier. The fastest method for note entry is to use the
> computer keyboard.
> I also don't understand what's the benefit of a lilypond output for you.
> The main goal of MuseScore is to graphically edit the score. For
> example its easy to manually adjust a slur but especially this finetuning
> cannot be exported to lilypond. So why use MuseScore if you want lilypond
> output?
>
> > There is no "make uninstall" command available.  I have been deleting the
> > directory in /usr/share/local/ before running make install, but this is
> > probably unnecessary.  Similarly, I would normally run "make clean"
> > before "svn up" but I have been copying the svn folder across and
> > compiling from the copy, leaving the svn folder ready for the next
> > update.
>
> The uninstall is provided by the package builder (for debian packages and
> as far as i know for *rpm packages). Its not necessary if you want to
> install a newer version.
> The build system does not touch the svn directories (its a so called "out
> of source build"). All created files are in the "build" subdirectory. To
> start from scratch you only have to remove this dir (or call "make clean"
> in the toplevel dir which does exactly this). There is no need to hold a
> separate copy for the build.
>
> > I again set my QT4 path before compiling.  For some reason, it was not
> > detected automatically when compiling last time.  I suppose that I should
> > have tried again this time.  The two versions of qmake have the same
> > name, but on the other hand a different QT4 program (I have forgotten
> > what) found the correct one O.K.  If nobody else is having this problem,
> > it may be specific to my distro (Mandriva).  I will shortly be upgrading
> > to Mandriva 2008 Spring with the latest version of KDE.  I will test
> > again then.  No sense in fixing it for a distro that has almost finished
> > its lifespan.
>
> CMake detects the installation path of QT4 by calling "qmake-qt4
> --version". If there is no qmake-qt4 it tries "qmake --version". So you
> should place a renamed copy of your Qt4 qmake into say /usr/bin or create a
> symlink.
>
> Werner
>
> > Doug.
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The transpose function should work in latest version. For instruments which
play different notes than notated ("transposing instruments"?) you can
set up a play transposion in the staff properties menu (right click a measure).

Werner

On Mittwoch 27 Februar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:

> My position is, that in the end, I want scores I can play from.  So far, I
> have been using NoteEdit and exporting to Lilypond.   I didn't really
> consider using MuseScore's native output to a printed score.  Just not
> thinking laterally.  Also, I assumed that a keyboard would be faster - it
> usually is.  DeNemo, recommended for writing Lilypond, is very awkward to use
> from the computer keyboard, and they say that they expect users to have a
> music keyboard.  I did find it quite easy to enter a song in MuseScore from
> the computer keyboard, and for a wind instrument, I need only one line of
> notes.  The only extra that I really need is the ability to transpose.  I put
> up the music as for the C instrument, then transpose it for the B flat or A
> clarinet, whichever goves the most convenient final key signature.  That way,
> I can produce a score for our violinist as well.  Transposing as I enter
> notes, I soon get hopelessly lost.
>
> Slurs in NoteEdit are a problem.  Ties can be done as I go, but slurs won't
> enter except in Edit mode, which means a lot of fiddling.  I know that the
> NoteEdit code was messy, and Canorus isn't sufficiently advanced to consider.
>
> There is no reason why I can't print directly from MuseScore.
>
> Doug.
>
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:59:10 am Werner Schweer wrote:
> > On Dienstag 26 Februar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > > I just compiled from the SVN with no problems.
> > >
> > > Keyboard entry is far easier, and since I can't play a keyboard and don't
> > > own one, I can't test the finer points of the package.  That is my major
> > > reason for leaving tests to the others.  About the only thing that I can
> > > test is the Lilypond export.
> >
> > I'm a bit confused. Note entry with a music keyboard (with this black and
> > white keys) is not easier. The fastest method for note entry is to use the
> > computer keyboard.
> > I also don't understand what's the benefit of a lilypond output for you.
> > The main goal of MuseScore is to graphically edit the score. For
> > example its easy to manually adjust a slur but especially this finetuning
> > cannot be exported to lilypond. So why use MuseScore if you want lilypond
> > output?
> >
> > > There is no "make uninstall" command available.  I have been deleting the
> > > directory in /usr/share/local/ before running make install, but this is
> > > probably unnecessary.  Similarly, I would normally run "make clean"
> > > before "svn up" but I have been copying the svn folder across and
> > > compiling from the copy, leaving the svn folder ready for the next
> > > update.
> >
> > The uninstall is provided by the package builder (for debian packages and
> > as far as i know for *rpm packages). Its not necessary if you want to
> > install a newer version.
> > The build system does not touch the svn directories (its a so called "out
> > of source build"). All created files are in the "build" subdirectory. To
> > start from scratch you only have to remove this dir (or call "make clean"
> > in the toplevel dir which does exactly this). There is no need to hold a
> > separate copy for the build.
> >
> > > I again set my QT4 path before compiling.  For some reason, it was not
> > > detected automatically when compiling last time.  I suppose that I should
> > > have tried again this time.  The two versions of qmake have the same
> > > name, but on the other hand a different QT4 program (I have forgotten
> > > what) found the correct one O.K.  If nobody else is having this problem,
> > > it may be specific to my distro (Mandriva).  I will shortly be upgrading
> > > to Mandriva 2008 Spring with the latest version of KDE.  I will test
> > > again then.  No sense in fixing it for a distro that has almost finished
> > > its lifespan.
> >
> > CMake detects the installation path of QT4 by calling "qmake-qt4
> > --version". If there is no qmake-qt4 it tries "qmake --version". So you
> > should place a renamed copy of your Qt4 qmake into say /usr/bin or create a
> > symlink.
> >
> > Werner
> >
> > > Doug.
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Doug Laidlaw
Thanks.  I just found it.

Doug.
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:54:23 am Werner Schweer wrote:

> The transpose function should work in latest version. For instruments which
> play different notes than notated ("transposing instruments"?) you can
> set up a play transposion in the staff properties menu (right click a
> measure).
>
> Werner
>
> On Mittwoch 27 Februar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > My position is, that in the end, I want scores I can play from.  So far,
> > I have been using NoteEdit and exporting to Lilypond.   I didn't really
> > consider using MuseScore's native output to a printed score.  Just not
> > thinking laterally.  Also, I assumed that a keyboard would be faster - it
> > usually is.  DeNemo, recommended for writing Lilypond, is very awkward to
> > use from the computer keyboard, and they say that they expect users to
> > have a music keyboard.  I did find it quite easy to enter a song in
> > MuseScore from the computer keyboard, and for a wind instrument, I need
> > only one line of notes.  The only extra that I really need is the ability
> > to transpose.  I put up the music as for the C instrument, then transpose
> > it for the B flat or A clarinet, whichever goves the most convenient
> > final key signature.  That way, I can produce a score for our violinist
> > as well.  Transposing as I enter notes, I soon get hopelessly lost.
> >
> > Slurs in NoteEdit are a problem.  Ties can be done as I go, but slurs
> > won't enter except in Edit mode, which means a lot of fiddling.  I know
> > that the NoteEdit code was messy, and Canorus isn't sufficiently advanced
> > to consider.
> >
> > There is no reason why I can't print directly from MuseScore.
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> > On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:59:10 am Werner Schweer wrote:
> > > On Dienstag 26 Februar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > > > I just compiled from the SVN with no problems.
> > > >
> > > > Keyboard entry is far easier, and since I can't play a keyboard and
> > > > don't own one, I can't test the finer points of the package.  That is
> > > > my major reason for leaving tests to the others.  About the only
> > > > thing that I can test is the Lilypond export.
> > >
> > > I'm a bit confused. Note entry with a music keyboard (with this black
> > > and white keys) is not easier. The fastest method for note entry is to
> > > use the computer keyboard.
> > > I also don't understand what's the benefit of a lilypond output for
> > > you. The main goal of MuseScore is to graphically edit the score. For
> > > example its easy to manually adjust a slur but especially this
> > > finetuning cannot be exported to lilypond. So why use MuseScore if you
> > > want lilypond output?
> > >
> > > > There is no "make uninstall" command available.  I have been deleting
> > > > the directory in /usr/share/local/ before running make install, but
> > > > this is probably unnecessary.  Similarly, I would normally run "make
> > > > clean" before "svn up" but I have been copying the svn folder across
> > > > and compiling from the copy, leaving the svn folder ready for the
> > > > next update.
> > >
> > > The uninstall is provided by the package builder (for debian packages
> > > and as far as i know for *rpm packages). Its not necessary if you want
> > > to install a newer version.
> > > The build system does not touch the svn directories (its a so called
> > > "out of source build"). All created files are in the "build"
> > > subdirectory. To start from scratch you only have to remove this dir
> > > (or call "make clean" in the toplevel dir which does exactly this).
> > > There is no need to hold a separate copy for the build.
> > >
> > > > I again set my QT4 path before compiling.  For some reason, it was
> > > > not detected automatically when compiling last time.  I suppose that
> > > > I should have tried again this time.  The two versions of qmake have
> > > > the same name, but on the other hand a different QT4 program (I have
> > > > forgotten what) found the correct one O.K.  If nobody else is having
> > > > this problem, it may be specific to my distro (Mandriva).  I will
> > > > shortly be upgrading to Mandriva 2008 Spring with the latest version
> > > > of KDE.  I will test again then.  No sense in fixing it for a distro
> > > > that has almost finished its lifespan.
> > >
> > > CMake detects the installation path of QT4 by calling "qmake-qt4
> > > --version". If there is no qmake-qt4 it tries "qmake --version". So you
> > > should place a renamed copy of your Qt4 qmake into say /usr/bin or
> > > create a symlink.
> > >
> > > Werner
> > >
> > > > Doug.
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