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Doug Laidlaw
Lasconic is plainly so knowledgeable, and feeding so much good info, that you
may prefer to leave this until later.

Because the svn was down, (I thought that perhaps it was closed while you
committed to it), I am still using the 0.9.1d release. Already it is a lot
better.  But to get to the point:

I put in "Beautiful Dreamer" in 9/8 via the computer keyboard.  On a Lilypond
export, all the dotted notes became undotted, and Lilypond did its best to
keep 9 quavers of the modified score to the bar.  I then exported from mscore
to MusicXML and imported that into Noteedit, and it was perfect.

My wish list:

I play clarinet.  I can't play keyboards, but I intend to obtain a keyboard
and do two-finger entry of notes.  I like to enter a tune from piano music
then transpose it.  I would like to see the ability to transpose, of course,
but perhaps more immediately, I would like to see the sharps and flats from
the key signature applied to all notes, and not to have to modify them as
accidentals.  That is probably unimportant for input from a proper keyboard.

Doug.

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Re: Lilypond export imperfect; my wish list

wschweer
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On Samstag 26 Januar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> Lasconic is plainly so knowledgeable, and feeding so much good info, that you
> may prefer to leave this until later.
>
> Because the svn was down, (I thought that perhaps it was closed while you
> committed to it), I am still using the 0.9.1d release. Already it is a lot
> better.

its working again and i just commited last changes.

> But to get to the point:
>
> I put in "Beautiful Dreamer" in 9/8 via the computer keyboard.  On a Lilypond
> export, all the dotted notes became undotted, and Lilypond did its best to
> keep 9 quavers of the modified score to the bar.  I then exported from mscore
> to MusicXML and imported that into Noteedit, and it was perfect.

i'm sorry that the lilypond export is far from complete. I plan to extend it
along as i learn more about lilypond.

>
> My wish list:
>
> I play clarinet.  I can't play keyboards, but I intend to obtain a keyboard
> and do two-finger entry of notes.  I like to enter a tune from piano music
> then transpose it.  I would like to see the ability to transpose, of course,
> but perhaps more immediately, I would like to see the sharps and flats from
> the key signature applied to all notes, and not to have to modify them as
> accidentals.  That is probably unimportant for input from a proper keyboard.

I don't understand what you expect should happen. There are now two keyboard input
methods (selectable in "preferences"): the default mode produces a "fis" if you
press F in G major, the other method gives you a real "f". You can change the
pitch of a note with up/down keys which of course sets the right accidentals
(well almost, sometimes the pitch spelling algorithm guesses wrong).

Werner



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Re: Lilypond export imperfect; my wish list

Doug Laidlaw
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:22:27 pm Werner Schweer wrote:
> I don't understand what you expect should happen. There are now two
> keyboard input methods (selectable in "preferences"): the default mode
> produces a "fis" if you press F in G major, the other method gives you a
> real "f". You can change the pitch of a note with up/down keys which of
> course sets the right accidentals (well almost, sometimes the pitch
> spelling algorithm guesses wrong).
>
> Werner

When I click on the F space in a treble stave, I am still getting a F natural
in D major regardless of the preferences.  As for the other points: no
criticism intended.  I appreciate that you will have priorities; and I am
quite happy to wait.

Doug.

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Re: Lilypond export imperfect; my wish list

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On Samstag 26 Januar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:22:27 pm Werner Schweer wrote:
> > I don't understand what you expect should happen. There are now two
> > keyboard input methods (selectable in "preferences"): the default mode
> > produces a "fis" if you press F in G major, the other method gives you a
> > real "f". You can change the pitch of a note with up/down keys which of
> > course sets the right accidentals (well almost, sometimes the pitch
> > spelling algorithm guesses wrong).
> >
> > Werner
>
> When I click on the F space in a treble stave, I am still getting a F natural
> in D major regardless of the preferences.  As for the other points: no
> criticism intended.  I appreciate that you will have priorities; and I am
> quite happy to wait.

its a bug, fixed in current svn. Now clicking on F space should set a
Fis in D major.

Werner


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Re: Lilypond export imperfect; my wish list

Doug Laidlaw
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:06:05 am Werner Schweer wrote:

> On Samstag 26 Januar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:22:27 pm Werner Schweer wrote:
> > > I don't understand what you expect should happen. There are now two
> > > keyboard input methods (selectable in "preferences"): the default mode
> > > produces a "fis" if you press F in G major, the other method gives you
> > > a real "f". You can change the pitch of a note with up/down keys which
> > > of course sets the right accidentals (well almost, sometimes the pitch
> > > spelling algorithm guesses wrong).
> > >
> > > Werner
> >
> > When I click on the F space in a treble stave, I am still getting a F
> > natural in D major regardless of the preferences.  As for the other
> > points: no criticism intended.  I appreciate that you will have
> > priorities; and I am quite happy to wait.
>
> its a bug, fixed in current svn. Now clicking on F space should set a
> Fis in D major.
>
> Werner
>
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Thanks.  It is fixed.

I will leave it now to Lasconic, but I get these error messages when starting
in a terminal:

Couldn't resolve property: 2
FluidSynth: error -1 note off, ch 0 pitch 65: ?

They don't seem to cause any problems.

Doug.


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Re: Lilypond export imperfect; my wish list

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2008/1/26, Doug Laidlaw <[hidden email]>:
Lasconic is plainly so knowledgeable, and feeding so much good info, that you
may prefer to leave this until later.

Are you flattering me ? :-p I'm not so knowledgable you know. I'm just using the software a bit and find some issues. I guess the more we find bugs / issues the better the software will be. Stop me Werner if  I'm wrong.

I will leave it now to Lasconic, but I get these error messages when starting
in a terminal:

Furthermore, I'm currently using Windows only. So I guess every comment about the  linux version is very welcome.

Lasconic



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Re: Lilypond export imperfect; my wish list

Doug Laidlaw
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:57:11 pm Lasconic wrote:

> 2008/1/26, Doug Laidlaw <[hidden email]>:
> > Lasconic is plainly so knowledgeable, and feeding so much good info, that
> > you
> > may prefer to leave this until later.
>
> Are you flattering me ? :-p I'm not so knowledgable you know. I'm just
> using the software a bit and find some issues. I guess the more we find
> bugs / issues the better the software will be. Stop me Werner if  I'm
> wrong.
>
> I will leave it now to Lasconic, but I get these error messages when
>
> > starting
> > in a terminal:
>
> Furthermore, I'm currently using Windows only. So I guess every comment
> about the  linux version is very welcome.
>
> Lasconic

Perhaps I should have said "experienced".  You are able to compare the other
programs.  I am a complete amateur, playing clarinet in the backing for a
singing group at a Retitrement Village.  Sibelius is good, but expensive.  We
have a a book of songs that I need to transpose (can no longer do it as I go
along.)  I usually

(a) create the tune in its existing key with Noteedit;
(b) transpose it up;
(c) export to Lilypond;
(d) run convert-ly to get it into current Lilypond format; (because
development on Noteedit stopped some time ago, and canorus seems unusable;)
(d) then run Lilypond to make it printable.

Whew!

Doug.

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Re: Lilypond export imperfect; my wish list

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Doug Laidlaw wrote
I put in "Beautiful Dreamer" in 9/8 via the computer keyboard.  On a Lilypond
export, all the dotted notes became undotted, and Lilypond did its best to
keep 9 quavers of the modified score to the bar.  I then exported from mscore
to MusicXML and imported that into Noteedit, and it was perfect.

My wish list:

I play clarinet.  I can't play keyboards, but I intend to obtain a keyboard
and do two-finger entry of notes.  I like to enter a tune from piano music
then transpose it.  I would like to see the ability to transpose, of course,
but perhaps more immediately, I would like to see the sharps and flats from
the key signature applied to all notes, and not to have to modify them as
accidentals.  That is probably unimportant for input from a proper keyboard.
Hi Doug,

I read that you wish to use the beautiful output from lilypond, combined with a possibility to transpose. And since you are familiar with MusicXML, have a look at http://www.wikifonia.org . It's a website where musicians can publish lead sheets by uploading a musicXML file.

Wikifonia is a project which Lasconic and I are working on together with a few more developers. It's still very early stage, but I would like to hear your feedback.

Thx
Thomas Bonte
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Doug Laidlaw
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:35:19 am Thomas Bonte wrote:

> Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > I put in "Beautiful Dreamer" in 9/8 via the computer keyboard.  On a
> > Lilypond
> > export, all the dotted notes became undotted, and Lilypond did its best
> > to keep 9 quavers of the modified score to the bar.  I then exported from
> > mscore
> > to MusicXML and imported that into Noteedit, and it was perfect.
> >
> > My wish list:
> >
> > I play clarinet.  I can't play keyboards, but I intend to obtain a
> > keyboard
> > and do two-finger entry of notes.  I like to enter a tune from piano
> > music then transpose it.  I would like to see the ability to transpose,
> > of course,
> > but perhaps more immediately, I would like to see the sharps and flats
> > from
> > the key signature applied to all notes, and not to have to modify them as
> > accidentals.  That is probably unimportant for input from a proper
> > keyboard.
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> I read that you wish to use the beautiful output from lilypond, combined
> with a possibility to transpose. And since you are familiar with MusicXML,
> have a look at http://www.wikifonia.org . It's a website where musicians
> can publish lead sheets by uploading a musicXML file.
>
> Wikifonia is a project which Lasconic and I are working on together with a
> few more developers. It's still very early stage, but I would like to hear
> your feedback.
>
> Thx
> Thomas Bonte

Looks good.

Doug.

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Re: Lilypond export imperfect; my wish list

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Hi !
I assume that's not solve in the current windows test release, right ? because on a normal sax staff, typing A B C D E F G, I got only C and D notes. By clicking, I get a lot of sharped notes.

Lasconic

2008/1/26, Werner Schweer <[hidden email]>:
On Samstag 26 Januar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:22:27 pm Werner Schweer wrote:
> > I don't understand what you expect should happen. There are now two
> > keyboard input methods (selectable in "preferences"): the default mode
> > produces a "fis" if you press F in G major, the other method gives you a
> > real "f". You can change the pitch of a note with up/down keys which of
> > course sets the right accidentals (well almost, sometimes the pitch
> > spelling algorithm guesses wrong).
> >
> > Werner
>
> When I click on the F space in a treble stave, I am still getting a F natural
> in D major regardless of the preferences.  As for the other points: no
> criticism intended.  I appreciate that you will have priorities; and I am
> quite happy to wait.

its a bug, fixed in current svn. Now clicking on F space should set a
Fis in D major.

Werner


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Re: Lilypond export imperfect; my wish list

wschweer
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Hello,

shame on me! I introduced a silly typo in the code which randomizes note input
somewhat. Interestingly the two examples i tested looked ok...

Werner

On Montag 28 Januar 2008, Lasconic wrote:

> Hi !
> I assume that's not solve in the current windows test release, right ?
> because on a normal sax staff, typing A B C D E F G, I got only C and D
> notes. By clicking, I get a lot of sharped notes.
>
> Lasconic
>
> 2008/1/26, Werner Schweer <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > On Samstag 26 Januar 2008, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> > > On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:22:27 pm Werner Schweer wrote:
> > > > I don't understand what you expect should happen. There are now two
> > > > keyboard input methods (selectable in "preferences"): the default mode
> > > > produces a "fis" if you press F in G major, the other method gives you
> > a
> > > > real "f". You can change the pitch of a note with up/down keys which
> > of
> > > > course sets the right accidentals (well almost, sometimes the pitch
> > > > spelling algorithm guesses wrong).
> > > >
> > > > Werner
> > >
> > > When I click on the F space in a treble stave, I am still getting a F
> > natural
> > > in D major regardless of the preferences.  As for the other points: no
> > > criticism intended.  I appreciate that you will have priorities; and I
> > am
> > > quite happy to wait.
> >
> > its a bug, fixed in current svn. Now clicking on F space should set a
> > Fis in D major.
> >
> > Werner
> >
> >
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