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Marc Sabatella
After yet another Windows-related disaster yesterday from which I am still not recovered (I may well end up needing to do a complete reinstall), I'm about ready to give Linux a shot.  At the very least, as part of a dual boot system.  I am aware there are many different flavors of Linux.  From what I can tell, most of the differences don't concern me at all, and the path of least resistance overall would seem to be Ubuntu.

But I'm wondering if there are any MuseScore-specific reasons to choose something else.  Like if it's easier to set up a build environment in some other version.  I'm told there is one particular distro that is especially well set up for audio but I don't remember which, nor do I know if it would really matter.  Also, it appears Ubuntu may have issues with my particular wireless adapter, so I may be forced to look at other options anyhow.

I also of course welcome any general advice on making the switch.  I used to be pretty comfortable with Unix, like back in the 80's/90's, but that was like a different lifetime.  I'm already running virtually all Linux-compatible open source software, so there are very few applications I'll need to make any sort of major readjustment for.
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Marc I would recommend installing Ubuntu Studio.

I'm currently running Ubuntu Studio Precise Pangolin which is the LTS version.

Installation and setup was completely painless and ensured all media production work was working properly unlike the standard version of Ubuntu which I found had to have sharing settings adjusted before audio related stuff like Ardour would work properly.

You are also not forced into using the new Gnome desktop which I know some people hate (myself included)

Just my 2p :)
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Setting up a MuseScore dev environment should be pretty easy in any modern linux distribution.
Mint (http://www.linuxmint.com/) seems to have quite some leverage in the past years.

More than a distribution, you want to choose a desktop environment (KDE, Gnome, Unity, Cinnamon...)
The "new Gnome desktop" Michael is talking about, is not Gnome but Unity.

Ubuntu Studio is the audio optimized version of Ubuntu. The main difference is the real time kernel I believe. It's probably the most used audio optimized linux distrib. There are other audio specific distrib like Tango Studio.

FWIW, Werner is running the last Kubuntu 13.10 (correct me if I'm wrong). Travis, our CI system, is running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server Edition 64 bit.

lasconic


2013/11/11 ChurchOrganist <[hidden email]>
Marc I would recommend installing Ubuntu Studio.

I'm currently running Ubuntu Studio Precise Pangolin which is the LTS
version.

Installation and setup was completely painless and ensured all media
production work was working properly unlike the standard version of Ubuntu
which I found had to have sharing settings adjusted before audio related
stuff like Ardour would work properly.

You are also not forced into using the new Gnome desktop which I know some
people hate (myself included)

Just my 2p :)



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Thanks for the advice so far!  I have neither attachment nor aversion to any particular desktop and wouldn't know the the difference between KDE, Gnome, or Unity.  At this point, Unity is the one will be most familiar with since I have been using the last 24 as I've been booting from a Ubuntu flash drive attempting to get my computer working again.

So, even though I don't get wireless, I plugged into an ethernet cable and was able to get online.  Went to install MuseScore, and without asking it gave me 1.2.  I take it there are handstands I can go through in order to get 1.3, but this is one of the things I am hoping to avoid by picking the "right" Linux in the first place.  Are there distros that tend to get MuseScore updates more regularly?

Marc Sabatella


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Lasconic <[hidden email]> wrote:

Setting up a MuseScore dev environment should be pretty easy in any modern linux distribution.
Mint (http://www.linuxmint.com/) seems to have quite some leverage in the past years.

More than a distribution, you want to choose a desktop environment (KDE, Gnome, Unity, Cinnamon...)
The "new Gnome desktop" Michael is talking about, is not Gnome but Unity.

Ubuntu Studio is the audio optimized version of Ubuntu. The main difference is the real time kernel I believe. It's probably the most used audio optimized linux distrib. There are other audio specific distrib like Tango Studio.

FWIW, Werner is running the last Kubuntu 13.10 (correct me if I'm wrong). Travis, our CI system, is running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server Edition 64 bit.

lasconic


2013/11/11 ChurchOrganist <[hidden email]>
Marc I would recommend installing Ubuntu Studio.

I'm currently running Ubuntu Studio Precise Pangolin which is the LTS
version.

Installation and setup was completely painless and ensured all media
production work was working properly unlike the standard version of Ubuntu
which I found had to have sharing settings adjusted before audio related
stuff like Ardour would work properly.

You are also not forced into using the new Gnome desktop which I know some
people hate (myself included)

Just my 2p :)



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AFAIK all the Ubuntu installations still have MuseScore 1.2 in the Software centre and 1.3 has to be updated via the PPA - just follow the instructions on the Launchpad website.

FWIW I have previously installed Mint (13) and plain vanilla Ubuntu(12.04) versions within the last year and consider the Ubuntu Studio route the least problematic for music and audio production.
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The fact that MuseScore 1.3 is not the default in the 2 last Ubuntu/Debian is an anomaly... Same for the fact that 1.3 is not available for Saucy yet. Ubuntu has been the most popular distrib in the past year and so it was often up to date regarding MuseScore. I hope it will not happen again and that's why we are trying to get more people involved.

lasconic


2013/11/11 ChurchOrganist <[hidden email]>
AFAIK all the Ubuntu installations still have MuseScore 1.2 in the Software
centre and 1.3 has to be updated via the PPA - just follow the instructions
on the Launchpad website.

FWIW I have previously installed Mint (13) and plain vanilla Ubuntu(12.04)
versions within the last year and consider the Ubuntu Studio route the least
problematic for music and audio production.



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Re: Linux recommendation for MuseScore?

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If Ubuntu has trouble with your WIFI card, Mint will presumably also, since it is a «re-mix» of Ubuntu.
Once you have got the reference of your Wifi card you presumably find advices through Google.
I'm running Mint15 MATE after some happy years with Ubuntu gnome, to avoid Unity, and to have the same system as 2 children mine. But there is indeed ways to avoid the «Maclike» Unity in Ubuntu, and yes there is this special Ubuntu for real time music (not my cup of tea)

Anyway, enjoy Linux

Marc Sabatella a écrit :
Thanks for the advice so far!  I have neither attachment nor aversion to any particular desktop and wouldn't know the the difference between KDE, Gnome, or Unity.  At this point, Unity is the one will be most familiar with since I have been using the last 24 as I've been booting from a Ubuntu flash drive attempting to get my computer working again.

So, even though I don't get wireless, I plugged into an ethernet cable and was able to get online.  Went to install MuseScore, and without asking it gave me 1.2.  I take it there are handstands I can go through in order to get 1.3, but this is one of the things I am hoping to avoid by picking the "right" Linux in the first place.  Are there distros that tend to get MuseScore updates more regularly?

Marc Sabatella


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Lasconic <[hidden email]> wrote:

Setting up a MuseScore dev environment should be pretty easy in any modern linux distribution.
Mint (http://www.linuxmint.com/) seems to have quite some leverage in the past years.

More than a distribution, you want to choose a desktop environment (KDE, Gnome, Unity, Cinnamon...)
The "new Gnome desktop" Michael is talking about, is not Gnome but Unity.

Ubuntu Studio is the audio optimized version of Ubuntu. The main difference is the real time kernel I believe. It's probably the most used audio optimized linux distrib. There are other audio specific distrib like Tango Studio.

FWIW, Werner is running the last Kubuntu 13.10 (correct me if I'm wrong). Travis, our CI system, is running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server Edition 64 bit.

lasconic


2013/11/11 ChurchOrganist <[hidden email]>
Marc I would recommend installing Ubuntu Studio.

I'm currently running Ubuntu Studio Precise Pangolin which is the LTS
version.

Installation and setup was completely painless and ensured all media
production work was working properly unlike the standard version of Ubuntu
which I found had to have sharing settings adjusted before audio related
stuff like Ardour would work properly.

You are also not forced into using the new Gnome desktop which I know some
people hate (myself included)

Just my 2p :)



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Re: Linux recommendation for MuseScore?

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Hi Marc!

I use Lubuntu 12.04 (Ubuntu with LXDE desktop instead of Unity) as my daily "production" distribution.  But I added some ppa's for certain packages I need, like MuseScore.  I also added KXStudio's ppa's - there's a lot of recording software and plugins on those ppa's that are very useful.

You can get MuseScore 1.3 for Ubuntu 12.04 from this ppa:
https://launchpad.net/~mscore-ubuntu/+archive/mscore-stable

About the wireless, maybe if you share with us the make and model, we can help you get it to work (if it is possible in some way).  Is your wireless adapter internal or USB?

I agree with others: If you are looking for the easier way to get running Linux for music production, I would recommend Ubuntu Studio.  It comes with basically everything you need to start right away.  Later on, when you are more comfortable running it, you can add some ppa's (like KXStudio's - I would definitely recommend those for music production) to experiment with additional software.

Just drop a note if I (or we) can be of help. Best of luck!

On 11/11/2013 12:55 PM, Marc Sabatella wrote:
Thanks for the advice so far!  I have neither attachment nor aversion to any particular desktop and wouldn't know the the difference between KDE, Gnome, or Unity.  At this point, Unity is the one will be most familiar with since I have been using the last 24 as I've been booting from a Ubuntu flash drive attempting to get my computer working again.

So, even though I don't get wireless, I plugged into an ethernet cable and was able to get online.  Went to install MuseScore, and without asking it gave me 1.2.  I take it there are handstands I can go through in order to get 1.3, but this is one of the things I am hoping to avoid by picking the "right" Linux in the first place.  Are there distros that tend to get MuseScore updates more regularly?

Marc Sabatella


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Lasconic <[hidden email]> wrote:

Setting up a MuseScore dev environment should be pretty easy in any modern linux distribution.
Mint (http://www.linuxmint.com/) seems to have quite some leverage in the past years.

More than a distribution, you want to choose a desktop environment (KDE, Gnome, Unity, Cinnamon...)
The "new Gnome desktop" Michael is talking about, is not Gnome but Unity.

Ubuntu Studio is the audio optimized version of Ubuntu. The main difference is the real time kernel I believe. It's probably the most used audio optimized linux distrib. There are other audio specific distrib like Tango Studio.

FWIW, Werner is running the last Kubuntu 13.10 (correct me if I'm wrong). Travis, our CI system, is running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server Edition 64 bit.

lasconic


2013/11/11 ChurchOrganist <[hidden email]>
Marc I would recommend installing Ubuntu Studio.

I'm currently running Ubuntu Studio Precise Pangolin which is the LTS
version.

Installation and setup was completely painless and ensured all media
production work was working properly unlike the standard version of Ubuntu
which I found had to have sharing settings adjusted before audio related
stuff like Ardour would work properly.

You are also not forced into using the new Gnome desktop which I know some
people hate (myself included)

Just my 2p :)



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Re: Linux recommendation for MuseScore?

Toby Smithe-2
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Hi Lasconic,

Lasconic <[hidden email]> writes:
> The fact that MuseScore 1.3 is not the default in the 2 last Ubuntu/Debian
> is an anomaly... Same for the fact that 1.3 is not available for Saucy yet.
> Ubuntu has been the most popular distrib in the past year and so it was
> often up to date regarding MuseScore. I hope it will not happen again and
> that's why we are trying to get more people involved.
> See
> http://musescore.org/node/23227
> https://twitter.com/musescore/status/398396092062380032

There are a couple of reasons for the lack of MuseScore 1.3 in Debian
and Ubuntu. Firstly, Debian sponsorship -- whereby a Debian developer
uploads a package for a maintainer who is not an official Debian
developer -- is a notoriously slow volunteer effort, and since the
Ubuntu MuseScore package derives from that in Debian (to minimise
divergence), Ubuntu inherits that delay. Secondly, I've become very busy
recently, and so have not been especially proactive in pursuing
sponsorship.

Whilst the Debian package system does lend itself to producing a
high-quality and well-integrated distribution, it requires quite the
investment of effort. It's for this reason that I fell behind in keeping
the semi-official unstable PPA up to date, because I could not afford to
keep merging the changes in the MuseScore codebase with the requirements
of the Debian packaging system.

I do have the sources of a package for 1.3 available on my system --
they were only taken down from the Debian 'mentors' site because no-one
uploaded them. I can upload those sources to the PPA for Ubuntu, and
re-upload them to the Debian mentors site for sponsorship. If there is
anyone who is keen to share the maintenance burden for the musescore
package, they should grab those sources and familiarise themselves, but
I don't think there's much to be gained from starting from scratch.

Best,

Toby


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Hi Angel,

Your mail was blocked by the mailing list engine. I forced the delivery this time because the information in the mail was good but I will not do it again. Actually I shouldn't have accepted it...
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Oh, sorry about that.  I'll remove the signature for future emails.  Or maybe I'll change the email on my account, since I use this one mainly for my website's correspondence.

Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience.

Angel

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Hi Angel,

Your mail was blocked by the mailing list engine. I forced the delivery this time because the information in the mail was good but I will not do it again. Actually I shouldn't have accepted it...
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Re: Linux recommendation for MuseScore?

Toby Smithe-2
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I thought I had sent the below via GMane, but apparently it did not
work. Strange, that.

In other news, I've copied the 1.3 package in the PPA from raring to
saucy, and so that should be available soon. I'll do one for trusty,
too, and then sort out that pesky Debian package..



Hi Lasconic,

Lasconic <[hidden email]> writes:
> The fact that MuseScore 1.3 is not the default in the 2 last Ubuntu/Debian
> is an anomaly... Same for the fact that 1.3 is not available for Saucy yet.
> Ubuntu has been the most popular distrib in the past year and so it was
> often up to date regarding MuseScore. I hope it will not happen again and
> that's why we are trying to get more people involved.
> See
> http://musescore.org/node/23227
> https://twitter.com/musescore/status/398396092062380032

There are a couple of reasons for the lack of MuseScore 1.3 in Debian
and Ubuntu. Firstly, Debian sponsorship -- whereby a Debian developer
uploads a package for a maintainer who is not an official Debian
developer -- is a notoriously slow volunteer effort, and since the
Ubuntu MuseScore package derives from that in Debian (to minimise
divergence), Ubuntu inherits that delay. Secondly, I've become very busy
recently, and so have not been especially proactive in pursuing
sponsorship.

Whilst the Debian package system does lend itself to producing a
high-quality and well-integrated distribution, it requires quite the
investment of effort. It's for this reason that I fell behind in keeping
the semi-official unstable PPA up to date, because I could not afford to
keep merging the changes in the MuseScore codebase with the requirements
of the Debian packaging system.

I do have the sources of a package for 1.3 available on my system --
they were only taken down from the Debian 'mentors' site because no-one
uploaded them. I can upload those sources to the PPA for Ubuntu, and
re-upload them to the Debian mentors site for sponsorship. If there is
anyone who is keen to share the maintenance burden for the musescore
package, they should grab those sources and familiarise themselves, but
I don't think there's much to be gained from starting from scratch.

Best,

Toby

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Marc Sabatella-2
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Thanks for the comtinued advice!  I decided to bite the bullet and do a clean windows install for now and am gradually getting things back together (MuseScore was literally the first thing I installed).  I think I will also give Ubuntu Studio a shot.  If not as a dual boot on this computer, then on an old one, which might be more convenient anyhow.

FWIW, my current computer is an HP Pavilion g6 series, which uses the Ralink 5390 (?) internal wireless adapter.  There is no physical on/off switch for it, but the F12 key is supposed to toggle it.  Problem is, under Linux, it doesn't, so wireless shows as having been turned off by hardware switch and nothing works to turn it back on.  I had the same issue when I tried upgrading to Windows 8 earlier this year, and even after installing an updated BIOS still couldn't get wireless to turn on.  So I had to do a clean reinstall back to 7.  Which at least meant I knew I could do it this time too.  Searching around, I see lots of references to people with the same problem with this model, but no clear solutions (plenty of solution to similar-looking but actually different problems, though).



Feel free to contact me offline if you have any specific advice regarding my wireless situation, but I think simply installing Ubuntu Studio on a different computer probably makes more sense for now.


Marc Sabatella

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Re: Linux recommendation for MuseScore?

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There is a victory upon Ralink 5390 at (the end of) http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=1280281
It's in french, which I translate if requested


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Re: Linux recommendation for MuseScore?

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Hi again Marc.

Seraching for "Ralink 5390 Ubuntu" I found these references that could be helpful on your case:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/303415/ubuntu-13-04-ralink-rt5390-wont-work-after-upgrade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QY46JReJ1s

Best of luck.


On 11/13/2013 10:28 AM, Marc Sabatella wrote:
Thanks for the comtinued advice!  I decided to bite the bullet and do a clean windows install for now and am gradually getting things back together (MuseScore was literally the first thing I installed).  I think I will also give Ubuntu Studio a shot.  If not as a dual boot on this computer, then on an old one, which might be more convenient anyhow.

FWIW, my current computer is an HP Pavilion g6 series, which uses the Ralink 5390 (?) internal wireless adapter.  There is no physical on/off switch for it, but the F12 key is supposed to toggle it.  Problem is, under Linux, it doesn't, so wireless shows as having been turned off by hardware switch and nothing works to turn it back on.  I had the same issue when I tried upgrading to Windows 8 earlier this year, and even after installing an updated BIOS still couldn't get wireless to turn on.  So I had to do a clean reinstall back to 7.  Which at least meant I knew I could do it this time too.  Searching around, I see lots of references to people with the same problem with this model, but no clear solutions (plenty of solution to similar-looking but actually different problems, though).



Feel free to contact me offline if you have any specific advice regarding my wireless situation, but I think simply installing Ubuntu Studio on a different computer probably makes more sense for now.


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Re: Linux recommendation for MuseScore?

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Turns out Ubuntu Studio supports my wireless adaptet "out of the box", so there was no need for any workarounds.  I went ahead and reinstalled Windows and haven't set up a dual boot yet, but I now have a usable live boot USB stick for further testing.

Marc Sabatella


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Angel Candelaria <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi again Marc.

Seraching for "Ralink 5390 Ubuntu" I found these references that could be helpful on your case:

http://askubuntu.com/questions/303415/ubuntu-13-04-ralink-rt5390-wont-work-after-upgrade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QY46JReJ1s

Best of luck.


On 11/13/2013 10:28 AM, Marc Sabatella wrote:
Thanks for the comtinued advice!  I decided to bite the bullet and do a clean windows install for now and am gradually getting things back together (MuseScore was literally the first thing I installed).  I think I will also give Ubuntu Studio a shot.  If not as a dual boot on this computer, then on an old one, which might be more convenient anyhow.

FWIW, my current computer is an HP Pavilion g6 series, which uses the Ralink 5390 (?) internal wireless adapter.  There is no physical on/off switch for it, but the F12 key is supposed to toggle it.  Problem is, under Linux, it doesn't, so wireless shows as having been turned off by hardware switch and nothing works to turn it back on.  I had the same issue when I tried upgrading to Windows 8 earlier this year, and even after installing an updated BIOS still couldn't get wireless to turn on.  So I had to do a clean reinstall back to 7.  Which at least meant I knew I could do it this time too.  Searching around, I see lots of references to people with the same problem with this model, but no clear solutions (plenty of solution to similar-looking but actually different problems, though).



Feel free to contact me offline if you have any specific advice regarding my wireless situation, but I think simply installing Ubuntu Studio on a different computer probably makes more sense for now.


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